Term Limits? - Citizens Party2024-03-29T01:33:27Zhttp://www.votecitizens.org/forum/topics/term-limits?commentId=6348963%3AComment%3A24684&xg_raw_resources=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noTerm Limits and Article Vtag:www.votecitizens.org,2014-10-23:6348963:Comment:612052014-10-23T20:07:16.291ZScolos Narbarsonhttp://www.votecitizens.org/profile/ScolosNarbarson
<p><a href="http://democracychronicles.com/term-limit-supporters-throw-support-article-v-convention/?utm_source=Democracy+Chronicles+Newsletter&utm_campaign=9b11f155e9-DC_Weekly9_22_2014&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_cf447800ea-9b11f155e9-21659273" target="_blank">Term Limits and Article V</a></p>
<p><a href="http://democracychronicles.com/term-limit-supporters-throw-support-article-v-convention/?utm_source=Democracy+Chronicles+Newsletter&utm_campaign=9b11f155e9-DC_Weekly9_22_2014&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_cf447800ea-9b11f155e9-21659273" target="_blank">Term Limits and Article V</a></p> You are correct. We included…tag:www.votecitizens.org,2014-10-23:6348963:Comment:614012014-10-23T12:54:13.041ZMichael Thompsonhttp://www.votecitizens.org/profile/MichaelThompson
<p>You are correct. We included the term limits question in previous member surveys. Overall, most supported term limits. But, we had some strong vocal opposition to it as well in the surveys. So, we added this discussion to allow members to more fully discuss the idea. It will most likely be added to the platform, but we wanted to further allow debate and all of the arguments "for" and "against" first. </p>
<p>You are correct. We included the term limits question in previous member surveys. Overall, most supported term limits. But, we had some strong vocal opposition to it as well in the surveys. So, we added this discussion to allow members to more fully discuss the idea. It will most likely be added to the platform, but we wanted to further allow debate and all of the arguments "for" and "against" first. </p> The introductory article for…tag:www.votecitizens.org,2014-10-22:6348963:Comment:610902014-10-22T03:07:36.380ZScolos Narbarsonhttp://www.votecitizens.org/profile/ScolosNarbarson
<p>The introductory article for this discussion string asks:</p>
<p><strong>"Do you think that term limits would hurt third parties more than it would the two major parties if third party candidates start getting elected to Congress as it is easier for the two major parties to generate new candidates?"</strong></p>
<p>I think yes...at first. But then as the two major oligarchic parties diminish (by The Will Of The People) this "hurt" will become less and less. A lot depends on the performance…</p>
<p>The introductory article for this discussion string asks:</p>
<p><strong>"Do you think that term limits would hurt third parties more than it would the two major parties if third party candidates start getting elected to Congress as it is easier for the two major parties to generate new candidates?"</strong></p>
<p>I think yes...at first. But then as the two major oligarchic parties diminish (by The Will Of The People) this "hurt" will become less and less. A lot depends on the performance of the third party office holders.</p> The opening article of this d…tag:www.votecitizens.org,2014-10-22:6348963:Comment:610892014-10-22T02:52:58.620ZScolos Narbarsonhttp://www.votecitizens.org/profile/ScolosNarbarson
<p>The opening article of this discussion string includes the question: <strong>"Or do you think that we already have term limits in the form of something called the voting booth?"</strong></p>
<p>Well? Yes, We sort of do. We could, as voters, decide majoritarily to not re-elect an office holder. We do this all the time.</p>
<p>And now that i think about this, I begin to wonder if any further "control" is needed in Democracy? Are there those of Us who know Better than the rest of Us? And do…</p>
<p>The opening article of this discussion string includes the question: <strong>"Or do you think that we already have term limits in the form of something called the voting booth?"</strong></p>
<p>Well? Yes, We sort of do. We could, as voters, decide majoritarily to not re-elect an office holder. We do this all the time.</p>
<p>And now that i think about this, I begin to wonder if any further "control" is needed in Democracy? Are there those of Us who know Better than the rest of Us? And do these have the right to...ooops...caught myself going off on an unecessary tangent.</p>
<p>The point being: Term Limits are already ostensibly under the <em>control</em> of the Will Of The People.</p>
<p>Observation: But this "<em>control</em>" is manipulable by those of Us who see the need for such influence. And herein lies one of the problems with Democracy. (a solvable problem...I believe)</p>
<p></p> Good evening, Hunter Wayne Cr…tag:www.votecitizens.org,2014-10-22:6348963:Comment:610882014-10-22T02:18:22.358ZScolos Narbarsonhttp://www.votecitizens.org/profile/ScolosNarbarson
<p>Good evening, Hunter Wayne Crow. It's Good to see your latest reply.</p>
<p>That Senator in Texas might be more interested in setting a time in office record than serving his People well. But, maybe not. He might be an exceptional Human Being. He has lots of "experience", through so much time in office, but probably is having a difficult time remembering it. I don't know the particulars of his personality and character, but it does seem to me that most People, the older they get, the more…</p>
<p>Good evening, Hunter Wayne Crow. It's Good to see your latest reply.</p>
<p>That Senator in Texas might be more interested in setting a time in office record than serving his People well. But, maybe not. He might be an exceptional Human Being. He has lots of "experience", through so much time in office, but probably is having a difficult time remembering it. I don't know the particulars of his personality and character, but it does seem to me that most People, the older they get, the more rooted in the status quo they become. Of course there are exceptions to this.</p>
<p>I suppose, if We The People manage to come to a consensus , or majority, about whether or not Meaningful Change is needed in Our Nation, then younger, more energetic office holders might Better serve Our Needs. They might be more willing to put pressure on the "way things are" and improve it. Longer term limits might augment this phenomena and give it the lasting strengths needed to see it through to the goal of the particular change. But, at the same time, this longer term limit (if no other circumstance is put into place to reinforce it...<em>goal oriented supervision?</em>) increases the opportunities for "corruption" influences to erode the younger office holder's resolve. This "goal oriented supervision" could be provided by We The People (as active participants in the governmental process), but a lot of work would have to be done to prepare Us for this "sacred" ("sacred" meaning very very important) task.</p>
<p>You recommended: "...one term for us congress should do it..."</p>
<p>Because I tend to support any proposal and action that moves Us closer to "Better" social and political ideals, (in this case some limitation on term of office holding service), I support your recommendation.</p>
<p>I look forward to your next comment here, or elsewhere in this great site.</p> Uh...there is a "Term Limits"…tag:www.votecitizens.org,2014-10-21:6348963:Comment:610862014-10-21T16:57:53.791ZScolos Narbarsonhttp://www.votecitizens.org/profile/ScolosNarbarson
<p>Uh...there is a "Term Limits" Group here. I will go in there and see what is being said.</p>
<p>Uh...there is a "Term Limits" Group here. I will go in there and see what is being said.</p> Nope. Doesn't look like "Term…tag:www.votecitizens.org,2014-10-21:6348963:Comment:608952014-10-21T16:57:04.456ZScolos Narbarsonhttp://www.votecitizens.org/profile/ScolosNarbarson
<p>Nope. Doesn't look like "Term Limits" is on the Citizen Party Platform yet. At least not on the "Short Version". I reckon that is why "CP" opened this discussion; to help make a party determination as to whether this issue should be on the platform or not.</p>
<p>Nope. Doesn't look like "Term Limits" is on the Citizen Party Platform yet. At least not on the "Short Version". I reckon that is why "CP" opened this discussion; to help make a party determination as to whether this issue should be on the platform or not.</p> I, for one, appreciate your a…tag:www.votecitizens.org,2014-10-18:6348963:Comment:609742014-10-18T18:20:25.389ZScolos Narbarsonhttp://www.votecitizens.org/profile/ScolosNarbarson
<p>I, for one, appreciate your above comment, Hunter Wayne Crow.</p>
<p>I assume that when you say "all government positions...", you mean the elected positions.</p>
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<p>I agree that term limits is one "tool" that would give We The People the opportunity to "weed out" corrupt politicians. Two other tools, for this purpose, might be a dedicated and moral Watch Dog Organization, that constantly (all day, every day) and consistently watches over the shoulders of Our Elected Representatives…</p>
<p>I, for one, appreciate your above comment, Hunter Wayne Crow.</p>
<p>I assume that when you say "all government positions...", you mean the elected positions.</p>
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<p>I agree that term limits is one "tool" that would give We The People the opportunity to "weed out" corrupt politicians. Two other tools, for this purpose, might be a dedicated and moral Watch Dog Organization, that constantly (all day, every day) and consistently watches over the shoulders of Our Elected Representatives (at all elected governance levels - community, county, state and nation) and some level of Sequestration...that would help Us keep certain special interests from bribing Our Representatives in backrooms and bathrooms.</p>
<p>There are a few internet and activist organizations that just might consider the initial undertaking of these new duties...but they would have to be augmented and supported by Dedicated American Citizens.</p>
<p>I wonder if some idea about term limits is on the "Citizen Party Platform" yet? I'll go see.</p>
<p>Anyway, I sure Hope that this fine Citizen Party idea and web site, will "catch on" with the American People and realize its great potential. It has shown some endurance so far...hence my Hope.</p>
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<p></p> I love the idea of a citizen…tag:www.votecitizens.org,2013-10-30:6348963:Comment:540862013-10-30T23:23:31.033ZMari M. Presleyhttp://www.votecitizens.org/profile/MariMPresley
<p>I love the idea of a citizen reward. One of the problems I see is that politicians don't really have to be secretive about being corrupt. A lot of the practices most people would consider corrupt are legal...like campaign contributions, pork, award of gov't contracts to insiders, etc.</p>
<p>I love the idea of a citizen reward. One of the problems I see is that politicians don't really have to be secretive about being corrupt. A lot of the practices most people would consider corrupt are legal...like campaign contributions, pork, award of gov't contracts to insiders, etc.</p> Its good to see your replies…tag:www.votecitizens.org,2013-10-26:6348963:Comment:540642013-10-26T19:15:58.329ZScolos Narbarsonhttp://www.votecitizens.org/profile/ScolosNarbarson
<p>Its good to see your replies Robert and Mari. Indication that "Citizens Party" still has a heartbeat.</p>
<p>I wonder what the ratio of politicians, either as "new candidates" or as "office holders", is for corporate corruption influence? What I mean is, What proportion of "new candidates" are already "corrupted" by influx of corporate wealth, in various forms, and, by comparison, what proportion of the already elected office holders are?</p>
<p>I guess i am asking how many new political…</p>
<p>Its good to see your replies Robert and Mari. Indication that "Citizens Party" still has a heartbeat.</p>
<p>I wonder what the ratio of politicians, either as "new candidates" or as "office holders", is for corporate corruption influence? What I mean is, What proportion of "new candidates" are already "corrupted" by influx of corporate wealth, in various forms, and, by comparison, what proportion of the already elected office holders are?</p>
<p>I guess i am asking how many new political candidates are influenced, (in secret deals), by corporate interests, before they start their campaigns.</p>
<p>I know. This is stupid questions, because the "secrecy" of the deals keeps Us from finding the Truth out about this. Though "back ground checks" of politicians, with an eye to discovering corporate business world connections, might help with this.</p>
<p>Unless...what if a new candidate reverses his, or her, commitment to the secret deal? And "blows the whistle"? But this still would not give Us the complete answer, as to proportion of politicians corrupted.</p>
<p>Hmmm. I wonder if a "Citizen Honesty Reward" for revealing these Truths, say double the amount offered by the corporations, would increase the "whistle blowing"?</p>
<p>I've got a suspicion that the "corruption" is well developed or "ground worked" long before politicians get into office. I'm not sure how "shorter terms" will effect this. I suppose, this might increase the expense to the corporation through a higher turn over rate...therefore being a little more helpful toward the solution of this problem.</p>
<p>Shorter term times are only the first warning and jab. We The People need to develop the ability and use such further actions, such as:</p>
<p>(1) Monitoring the legislative voting record of the politician and making this record well known to "We The People".</p>
<p>(2) Practicing Our Recall and Impeachment Options on politicians that reveal, by their voting, that they are not serving the "best interests" of "The Majority" of Us.</p>
<p>Everything I put in quotation marks needs to be carefully defined and agreed upon by "The Majority Of Us".</p>
<p>Sigh. We probably just need to start over again from "scratch".</p>
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