National Popular Vote Plan - Should we Abolish the Electoral College?? - Citizens Party2024-03-29T02:02:05Zhttp://www.votecitizens.org/forum/topics/national-popular-vote-plan?id=6348963%3ATopic%3A3627&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThanks for the link, Ernest G…tag:www.votecitizens.org,2015-04-27:6348963:Comment:649002015-04-27T19:22:40.451ZScolos Narbarsonhttp://www.votecitizens.org/profile/ScolosNarbarson
<p>Thanks for the link, Ernest G. Sych. I'll check it out.</p>
<p>Thanks for the link, Ernest G. Sych. I'll check it out.</p> that's a tricky subject - not…tag:www.votecitizens.org,2015-04-27:6348963:Comment:652172015-04-27T19:17:33.560ZERNEST G. SYCHhttp://www.votecitizens.org/profile/ERNESTGSYCH
<p>that's a tricky subject - not for me, but for even constitutional scholars. there has never been an Article V convention, and the constitution is not definite about what can be discussed or even passed. based on this, the two trains of thought emerge. for reference I refer you to the following link.…</p>
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<p>that's a tricky subject - not for me, but for even constitutional scholars. there has never been an Article V convention, and the constitution is not definite about what can be discussed or even passed. based on this, the two trains of thought emerge. for reference I refer you to the following link.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newsmax.com/US/constitutional-convention-Boehner-balanced-budget/2014/04/11/id/565155/" target="_blank">http://www.newsmax.com/US/constitutional-convention-Boehner-balanced-budget/2014/04/11/id/565155/</a></p>
<p>there are some who feel the tally should be by subject matter, and some who say there is no constitutional requirement to do so. it's uncharted territory. I would suggest you read the link and others (Wikipedia has a good one) and see what you think. my personal opinion, based on the lack of details in the constitution, is there are no limits, once convened, that such a convention is required to "stay on a particular subject" and that other subject matter is up for discussion. but neither my view or the opposing view is specified in the constitution.</p>
<p></p> The only email traffic i am g…tag:www.votecitizens.org,2015-04-27:6348963:Comment:648982015-04-27T18:59:32.588ZScolos Narbarsonhttp://www.votecitizens.org/profile/ScolosNarbarson
<p>The only email traffic i am getting, regarding "Article V" is from the following:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.conventionofstates.com/" target="_blank">http://www.conventionofstates.com/</a></p>
<p>I will go back and try to find the reference for change that you have indicated. Though this site has a definite restrictive "right wing flavor" to it...tends to blame the Federal Government for all Our Problems and mentions nothing about corporate influences in Our Problems.</p>
<p>Would you please…</p>
<p>The only email traffic i am getting, regarding "Article V" is from the following:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.conventionofstates.com/" target="_blank">http://www.conventionofstates.com/</a></p>
<p>I will go back and try to find the reference for change that you have indicated. Though this site has a definite restrictive "right wing flavor" to it...tends to blame the Federal Government for all Our Problems and mentions nothing about corporate influences in Our Problems.</p>
<p>Would you please provide links to the sites that have made this sub-proposal?</p> I would support this good ide…tag:www.votecitizens.org,2015-04-27:6348963:Comment:652162015-04-27T18:52:05.566ZScolos Narbarsonhttp://www.votecitizens.org/profile/ScolosNarbarson
<p>I would support this good idea, as a step in the right direction.</p>
<p>I would support this good idea, as a step in the right direction.</p> well, most of the petitions f…tag:www.votecitizens.org,2015-04-27:6348963:Comment:651182015-04-27T18:32:18.937ZERNEST G. SYCHhttp://www.votecitizens.org/profile/ERNESTGSYCH
<p>well, most of the petitions for an Article V convention include a statement of "and other things which may come under consideration". that kinda opens the door to changing almost anything - which is why congress will fight tooth and nail to prevent such a convention from starting.</p>
<p>well, most of the petitions for an Article V convention include a statement of "and other things which may come under consideration". that kinda opens the door to changing almost anything - which is why congress will fight tooth and nail to prevent such a convention from starting.</p> Maybe determine which of the…tag:www.votecitizens.org,2015-04-27:6348963:Comment:650512015-04-27T17:59:59.791ZScolos Narbarsonhttp://www.votecitizens.org/profile/ScolosNarbarson
<p>Maybe determine which of the changes would enable other changes to follow?</p>
<p>Maybe a Constitutional change that makes it unlawful to inhibit or block any changes brought forth by The Active Majority Will Of The American People?</p>
<p>This would lawfully establish a permanent gate, for "Good" Change in Our Social Contract.</p>
<p>As far as I know, in the present efforts for Article V and Constitutional Convention action, no proposals for the Right For Change has been made.</p>
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<p>Maybe determine which of the changes would enable other changes to follow?</p>
<p>Maybe a Constitutional change that makes it unlawful to inhibit or block any changes brought forth by The Active Majority Will Of The American People?</p>
<p>This would lawfully establish a permanent gate, for "Good" Change in Our Social Contract.</p>
<p>As far as I know, in the present efforts for Article V and Constitutional Convention action, no proposals for the Right For Change has been made.</p>
<p></p> there are, of course, numerou…tag:www.votecitizens.org,2015-04-26:6348963:Comment:651132015-04-26T12:54:23.636ZERNEST G. SYCHhttp://www.votecitizens.org/profile/ERNESTGSYCH
<p>there are, of course, numerous things which would, in my opinion, make voting much more fair. the unfortunate thing in this discussion is the fact that making such changes will involve changes in the constitution - and those changes would be opposed by congress. there is, of course, a legal way around that, but it will not be easy and will require huge efforts of the citizens to force the changes. but, it can be done. the entire problem with that course of action is if you're going to choose…</p>
<p>there are, of course, numerous things which would, in my opinion, make voting much more fair. the unfortunate thing in this discussion is the fact that making such changes will involve changes in the constitution - and those changes would be opposed by congress. there is, of course, a legal way around that, but it will not be easy and will require huge efforts of the citizens to force the changes. but, it can be done. the entire problem with that course of action is if you're going to choose that route, you will most likely have only one shot at it, so you better make it your best shot. better to make all the changes in one attempt, because you may not get another one.</p> That is an interesting idea,…tag:www.votecitizens.org,2015-04-26:6348963:Comment:650462015-04-26T01:11:08.892ZScolos Narbarsonhttp://www.votecitizens.org/profile/ScolosNarbarson
<p>That is an interesting idea, Ernest G. Sych. I would support such a ballot option, I think. "None of the above" is a definite signal of indication of the Majority Will Of The American People. A indication that also says We are still in this.</p>
<p>To enable more candidates to run for office, like Hunter advocates, is an important idea too.</p>
<p>That is an interesting idea, Ernest G. Sych. I would support such a ballot option, I think. "None of the above" is a definite signal of indication of the Majority Will Of The American People. A indication that also says We are still in this.</p>
<p>To enable more candidates to run for office, like Hunter advocates, is an important idea too.</p> well, that might show displea…tag:www.votecitizens.org,2015-04-25:6348963:Comment:652102015-04-25T12:39:54.856ZERNEST G. SYCHhttp://www.votecitizens.org/profile/ERNESTGSYCH
<p>well, that might show displeasure, but would it accomplish something substantive? maybe we should insist on "none of the above" to be listed on all ballots for all offices with the rule being if "none of the above" gets a majority, all existing candidates are then taken off the ballot for that office and a new slate would have to be proposed for a re-vote. I'm thinking a few "none of the above" wins would really get some attention of both the citizens and the political parties.</p>
<p>well, that might show displeasure, but would it accomplish something substantive? maybe we should insist on "none of the above" to be listed on all ballots for all offices with the rule being if "none of the above" gets a majority, all existing candidates are then taken off the ballot for that office and a new slate would have to be proposed for a re-vote. I'm thinking a few "none of the above" wins would really get some attention of both the citizens and the political parties.</p> Well. Most of Us not voting,…tag:www.votecitizens.org,2014-11-29:6348963:Comment:627242014-11-29T20:43:29.896ZScolos Narbarsonhttp://www.votecitizens.org/profile/ScolosNarbarson
<p>Well. Most of Us not voting, would be a clear signal of Our displeasure in the way things are going.</p>
<p>I think the Democrat Party might react in different ways.</p>
<p>It might split on the Progressive / Conservative "line". The Progressives and some of the "Liberals" joining one, or more, of the Third Parties that presently exist...or starting a New Democrat Party (that would also be a "Third Party") The "Conservative" element of the Democrat Party, might join forces with the…</p>
<p>Well. Most of Us not voting, would be a clear signal of Our displeasure in the way things are going.</p>
<p>I think the Democrat Party might react in different ways.</p>
<p>It might split on the Progressive / Conservative "line". The Progressives and some of the "Liberals" joining one, or more, of the Third Parties that presently exist...or starting a New Democrat Party (that would also be a "Third Party") The "Conservative" element of the Democrat Party, might join forces with the Republican/Tea Party, or build their own Third Party. What remained, if anything, of the old Democrat Party would become weaker than ever. (Reduced to Third Party status and strengths?)</p>
<p>The Republican/Tea Party would take the opportunity to further capitalist/corporate goals (new world order) and might even try to establish a One Party Governance System for Our Nation.</p>
<p>Then...either We would become "slaves" to the few wealth and power folks, or revolt. If there was a Revolution, it would be chaotic and weak in the sense of poor organization and fragmentation of various political/social elements. Probably end in anarchy and/or martial law.</p>
<p>Hard to say. This speculation is based on what I see. And what I don't see may cause big differences in the results coming from most of Us not voting.</p>