Gun Control - Citizens Party2024-03-29T10:51:30Zhttp://www.votecitizens.org/forum/topics/gun-control?commentId=6348963%3AComment%3A40111&feed=yes&xn_auth=noWith gun control and gun viol…tag:www.votecitizens.org,2013-01-24:6348963:Comment:416422013-01-24T21:35:22.002ZCitizens Partyhttp://www.votecitizens.org/profile/Citizens_Party
<p>With gun control and gun violence being once again a hot button issue I thought that I would re-visit this thread. Have the shootings in Aurora and Newtown changed your views on gun control? Would more well intentioned gun restrictions actually reduce the number of shootings? Let us know your thoughts. </p>
<p>With gun control and gun violence being once again a hot button issue I thought that I would re-visit this thread. Have the shootings in Aurora and Newtown changed your views on gun control? Would more well intentioned gun restrictions actually reduce the number of shootings? Let us know your thoughts. </p> No guns are not the problem.…tag:www.votecitizens.org,2012-09-26:6348963:Comment:401582012-09-26T23:47:49.970ZBob Fountainehttp://www.votecitizens.org/profile/BobFountaine
<p>No guns are not the problem. There are too many millions of law abiding gun owners that would be penalized if they were removed.</p>
<p> History says the Japanese were poised to invade the US during World II. They did not because of the volume of gun owners in the US. Who knows we may need these gun owners somewhere in the future. </p>
<p>Instead of looking at guns as the problem, look at the improper use of them by individuals that use them to impose their will over others. (ie: a bank…</p>
<p>No guns are not the problem. There are too many millions of law abiding gun owners that would be penalized if they were removed.</p>
<p> History says the Japanese were poised to invade the US during World II. They did not because of the volume of gun owners in the US. Who knows we may need these gun owners somewhere in the future. </p>
<p>Instead of looking at guns as the problem, look at the improper use of them by individuals that use them to impose their will over others. (ie: a bank robber)</p>
<p>Now let that person enter our court system and plea down to something much less than the crime committed. A few months or few years in jail is not the detourant needed to do away with violent crimes.</p>
<p>Magically take away all the guns in the world and you will fear the person with a knife or baseball bat. Let's not forget 9/11/01, a few terrorists used carton cutters to control the hundreds of people. The question is; how many lives would have been spared if one person had sneaked a gun on board?</p>
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<p>I am not proposing any little old lady shove a handgun in her bag. But what if there were armed, well trained citizens, allowed to move freely in our country. Lets go back a couple of months to the killings in a movie theater. Could an armed/trained movie goer have helped the situation?</p>
<p>No not the wild west again, not a vigilante, not some gun happy person looking to get their name in the paper and we all do not need to carry a gun. Instead a trained citizen force that assists where the police are not. The emphasis would be on training. </p>
<p>Our society can live with guns. First we have to pass laws that put away violent criminals not plea them through the system. Until then arm a qualified few to help protect the many. </p> I agree with you on the gun c…tag:www.votecitizens.org,2012-09-22:6348963:Comment:403152012-09-22T14:32:59.711ZRick Mentehttp://www.votecitizens.org/profile/RickMente
<p>I agree with you on the gun control issue. While I am not a hunter, I do have a collection of firearms, most of which were passed to me from my grandparents who "liberated" them in WW2; all of my firearms are registered. I do not think that law abiding citizens should have any problem with having a class before they are allowed to acquire their first firearm. I also do not see the issue with registering firearms allowing the police to look up a known suspect before moving to apprehend…</p>
<p>I agree with you on the gun control issue. While I am not a hunter, I do have a collection of firearms, most of which were passed to me from my grandparents who "liberated" them in WW2; all of my firearms are registered. I do not think that law abiding citizens should have any problem with having a class before they are allowed to acquire their first firearm. I also do not see the issue with registering firearms allowing the police to look up a known suspect before moving to apprehend them.</p> I am an avid shooter, hunter,…tag:www.votecitizens.org,2012-09-19:6348963:Comment:401112012-09-19T13:52:07.416ZJim Harperhttp://www.votecitizens.org/profile/JimHarper
<p>I am an avid shooter, hunter, gun collector. I do not think more gun laws will help the situation. I do believe that anyone who owns firearms should take a firearms safety course at the least. I have a Concealed Carry Permit, and even though I have been around firearms my entire life, the legal aspect of the Conceal Carry course was worth the price. I do support enforcing current laws, improved background checks, a mandatory 3 day waiting period and instructional and safety courses for all…</p>
<p>I am an avid shooter, hunter, gun collector. I do not think more gun laws will help the situation. I do believe that anyone who owns firearms should take a firearms safety course at the least. I have a Concealed Carry Permit, and even though I have been around firearms my entire life, the legal aspect of the Conceal Carry course was worth the price. I do support enforcing current laws, improved background checks, a mandatory 3 day waiting period and instructional and safety courses for all gun owners, especially new purchases for first time buyers.</p> "many Republicans will argue…tag:www.votecitizens.org,2012-08-13:6348963:Comment:390622012-08-13T06:35:36.200ZRobert Gregorhttp://www.votecitizens.org/profile/RobertGregor
"many Republicans will argue that more guns by law-abiding citizens will deter potential shooters. This, of course, is nonsense. It would just make guns more accessible to criminals."<br />
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Statistically, you're quite wrong. In the south, where guns are more liberally given to citizens, crime rates are incredibly low. They're generally highest in places with lots of gun control. Why? Because the guy who's armed and robbing your house will be certain you don't have a gun. He'll be more bold,…
"many Republicans will argue that more guns by law-abiding citizens will deter potential shooters. This, of course, is nonsense. It would just make guns more accessible to criminals."<br />
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Statistically, you're quite wrong. In the south, where guns are more liberally given to citizens, crime rates are incredibly low. They're generally highest in places with lots of gun control. Why? Because the guy who's armed and robbing your house will be certain you don't have a gun. He'll be more bold, because he's armed and you're not.<br />
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Whereas if *EVERYONE* has a gun, only the truly desperate and psychopathic will think of attacking someone, knowing they'd likely get shot. "If guns kill people, then p…tag:www.votecitizens.org,2011-10-15:6348963:Comment:253662011-10-15T02:33:17.100ZJason M. Bowmanhttp://www.votecitizens.org/profile/JasonMBowman
<p> "If guns kill people, then pencils misspell words, cars make people speed, and forks make people fat. Hold the person accountable for their actions, not the means they chose to utilize" Outstanding. I could not agree more. Although I believe requiring a license, badge, seal, stamp, or whatever will do nothing to prevent gun violence in the least. The only "control" coming from that will be the amount of money coming out of people's pockets with the endless increase of fees…</p>
<p> "If guns kill people, then pencils misspell words, cars make people speed, and forks make people fat. Hold the person accountable for their actions, not the means they chose to utilize" Outstanding. I could not agree more. Although I believe requiring a license, badge, seal, stamp, or whatever will do nothing to prevent gun violence in the least. The only "control" coming from that will be the amount of money coming out of people's pockets with the endless increase of fees associated with the safety training and registration process. Then there would be "the firearm safety training and registration" bureau formed which would require more money from civilians in the tax increases imposed. This new bureau would then "conduct research trials" and use the manipulated results to push for new laws and ordinances to justify their existence draining yet more money from the tax payer. In the end, this system will be as effective as the lottery is for improving education. </p> Well, if they reported it sto…tag:www.votecitizens.org,2011-10-15:6348963:Comment:252392011-10-15T01:13:44.189ZTerence Straithttp://www.votecitizens.org/profile/TerenceStrait
<p>Well, if they reported it stolen that would be investigated to make sure that they weren't just reporting a theft to cover up the sale, but yeah, it gets tricky. </p>
<p>Well, if they reported it stolen that would be investigated to make sure that they weren't just reporting a theft to cover up the sale, but yeah, it gets tricky. </p> I can think of one, though a…tag:www.votecitizens.org,2011-10-14:6348963:Comment:251532011-10-14T22:54:50.947ZTerence Straithttp://www.votecitizens.org/profile/TerenceStrait
<p>I can think of one, though a lot of people wouldn't like it. If a gun registered to you is used in a crime, you are held liable as an accomplice. That would encourage private sellers to do at least cursory background checks. It's an easy method of enforcement, if a bit harsh.</p>
<p>I can think of one, though a lot of people wouldn't like it. If a gun registered to you is used in a crime, you are held liable as an accomplice. That would encourage private sellers to do at least cursory background checks. It's an easy method of enforcement, if a bit harsh.</p> I'm not aware of any, but the…tag:www.votecitizens.org,2011-10-14:6348963:Comment:252342011-10-14T22:22:09.084ZTerence Straithttp://www.votecitizens.org/profile/TerenceStrait
<p>I'm not aware of any, but the two circumstances are very similar. Only licensed dealers are required to perform background checks and register guns. That's why sales should be limited to licensed dealers, who could have some form of buyback program for individuals interested in getting rid of one they have. We don't allow private citizens to sell controlled substances (prescription medication), so why should guns be any different?</p>
<p>I'm not aware of any, but the two circumstances are very similar. Only licensed dealers are required to perform background checks and register guns. That's why sales should be limited to licensed dealers, who could have some form of buyback program for individuals interested in getting rid of one they have. We don't allow private citizens to sell controlled substances (prescription medication), so why should guns be any different?</p> There actually are laws that…tag:www.votecitizens.org,2011-10-14:6348963:Comment:253462011-10-14T18:24:32.153ZTerence Straithttp://www.votecitizens.org/profile/TerenceStrait
<p>There actually are laws that are designed to prevent (or at least limit) wholesaling of guns by private individuals. The biggest of these is a limitation on the number of guns you can buy at once, and a waiting period between gun purchases. However both of these have been attacked extensively by the NRA, and don't apply to gatherings like gun shows in any case. I don't care how much of a need to protect yourself you have, there is no reason to purchase 30 handguns except for resale. And if a…</p>
<p>There actually are laws that are designed to prevent (or at least limit) wholesaling of guns by private individuals. The biggest of these is a limitation on the number of guns you can buy at once, and a waiting period between gun purchases. However both of these have been attacked extensively by the NRA, and don't apply to gatherings like gun shows in any case. I don't care how much of a need to protect yourself you have, there is no reason to purchase 30 handguns except for resale. And if a private individual is the one doing the reselling, there's probably a reason the person being sold to isn't going to a licensed vendor.</p>